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Users say, scale 1/2 or 1/5 for TDF14

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Re: Users say, scale 1/2 or 1/5 for TDF14

Message21 Juil 2013, 01:51

Layo a écrit:I have the feeling that with this 1/5 scale, Cyanide just want to hear and gratify at childrens between 8 and 12 years old, that they needed a quick game and ARCADE no hassle, with at easy AI, allowing them to win the Tour with Peter Sagan (for example...)

SHOCKING...!


Layo not know if it is the reason for the decision of Cyanide, to make all these changes in the game this year and move into this fully arcade game where you can win a Tour with practically anyone.
But what I am sure of is that more fans of cycling purists who seek a simulator that accurately reflects the feelings that live in the races, their idols of the bicycle and between myself included. They were very pleased with the work done so TDF12, but after playing TDF13 and see the feelings as unreal and absurd that the user transmits this game and where you have lost the best features of the game that were very real scale and IA, are very sad and disappointed because they thought that the series would grow TDF every year on that good foundation I had in the past.
As you point it seems that we are living a nightmare from which I want to wake up next year.
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Re: Users say, scale 1/2 or 1/5 for TDF14

Message21 Juil 2013, 13:28

In my opinion the scale 1/2 is much more realist, is pure cycling. I remeber that TDF12 was epic with this scale.
The scale 1/5 is moto-cycling, and for example i made the climb to Alpe dhuez in less than 10 minutes! it's something impossible!!
For TDF14 i will put the 1/2 scale in mountain stages and maybe the CRI but in "normal" stages, i would maintain de the scale 1/5.
Thanks!
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Re: Users say, scale 1/2 or 1/5 for TDF14

Message21 Juil 2013, 14:12

Scale 1/2

Está todo dicho.

Enough said.

Assez dit.
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Re: Users say, scale 1/2 or 1/5 for TDF14

Message22 Juil 2013, 09:22

The best thing is that everyone can choose the scale and speed of the game to enjoy the game according to your time. If it done in 1/2 will like ones and if it's 1/5 others. Best thing is that the game likes everybody or am I wrong? I think that it is the best for players (they will like this game) and the best for the company (more players-more money)
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Re: Users say, scale 1/2 or 1/5 for TDF14

Message22 Juil 2013, 12:09

I might be the only one here, but the current scale works perfect for me (DLC or not). I want to be able to play a full tour in an evening and the current scale kills a lot of the "boring time" the game can have. Changing the scale will mean that you will spend more time on everything, also on the less interesting parts as struggeling to get away from the peloton for a breakaway, catching a breakaway etc. No thanks! I like the balance and I hope they will not change this as I would want this game to be a game many can enjoy and not only hardcore cycling fans.
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Re: Users say, scale 1/2 or 1/5 for TDF14

Message22 Juil 2013, 13:39

RobaL86 a écrit:I might be the only one here, but the current scale works perfect for me (DLC or not). I want to be able to play a full tour in an evening and the current scale kills a lot of the "boring time" the game can have. Changing the scale will mean that you will spend more time on everything, also on the less interesting parts as struggeling to get away from the peloton for a breakaway, catching a breakaway etc. No thanks! I like the balance and I hope they will not change this as I would want this game to be a game many can enjoy and not only hardcore cycling fans.



Every opinion is very valid to talk about it ... ;)

No need to be a hardcore gamer to realize that this scale fifth and ARCADE IA, SERIOUSLY hurts the gaming experience of TDF

Play complete stages, we get things done so unreal, as we win in "Elysian Fields" with Kiryenka without that Omega Pharma, Argos or Canondale, do nothing to stop it ... :cry:
Or to win the Tour with Goutier, Monfort, Dombrowski, etc.. ??? :shock:
This IA as ARCADE, ruined our feelings playable, and presents none at opposition, difficulty, challenge, to motivate us to fight against the CPU, as against the great TDF2012, which means, to abandon the game, for lack of Competitiveness and EMOTION ... :oops:

Fun you elope 200 km with Voeckler, and win the Tour with him WITHOUT OPPOSITION AI ...? I really bored this cycling ARCADE, designed for children level ...! :cry:

Why not obey the earpiece quickly ...?
Why our riders, do not move quickly positions in the group ...?
Why in the CRI, our rivals do not depart, when they will be developed by us, tripping over a few seconds ...?
Why Omega Pharma, Cannondale, Argos, do not fight for the intermediate sprints ...?
Why no fight, in the mountain sprints ...?
Why was defeat so easily in the general classification, with Froome, Wiggins, Contador, etc.. only risking a descent with any rider ...?
:o :x
What happened to the beta testers this year ... They were sleeping ... ? :shock:

None of this happened in TDF2012 ...! :x

The scale Accelerated fifth and ARCADE IA, have shattered a GREAT GAME OF CYCLING, cycling designed to childrens of 8 years old and 12 years old, level ...! (being very optimistic in my estimate ...) :(

I gave you an opportunity to TDF2013, and acknowledge the effort of the guys Cyanide, to "improve", but I am very disappointed with the low level of this TDF2013 :( :( :(
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKdmpc_mDX0
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Re: Users say, scale 1/2 or 1/5 for TDF14

Message22 Juil 2013, 16:40

RobaL86 a écrit:I might be the only one here, but the current scale works perfect for me (DLC or not). I want to be able to play a full tour in an evening and the current scale kills a lot of the "boring time" the game can have. Changing the scale will mean that you will spend more time on everything, also on the less interesting parts as struggeling to get away from the peloton for a breakaway, catching a breakaway etc. No thanks! I like the balance and I hope they will not change this as I would want this game to be a game many can enjoy and not only hardcore cycling fans.


Your opinion is perfectly respectable, it is clear that we can not all think alike.

But my view is that this game should be designed for people who love cycling and want to feel really, when you play not for casual users other two-three months to forget it, to buy another type of games he likes more play than TDF and meanwhile we have to endure the rest of the year, with the TDF so unreal, that these users want to win a Tour easily without any difficulty, I think that's fair. They just want the TDF as summer pastime and then leave it on the shelf and forgotten what we sell and purest cycling fans we feel empty with this game the rest of the year.

I want to feel the real biking, hechar 30 minutes or more up Mont Ventoux or other major ports so fast that this scale does not allow me. As in the time trials which pass very quickly. I want to feel the real biking when I play, I do not cast long played a stage or how long it takes to finish a Tour, I want the game forward in a real way to live my feelings bicycle idols, stage by stage, no matter the time spent on this short scale and do not let me.

You want to play but complete stages, you have the option to simulate. Because this detail is another complete stages Cyanide designs not because reason, because most users of youtube and elsewhere, simulated high oparte stage, played less miles than the TDF12. But I tell you that even though we have the same opinions, totally respect your position.

A greeting and thanks for bringing your decision on the issue
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Re: Users say, scale 1/2 or 1/5 for TDF14

Message22 Juil 2013, 18:08

Carlos2santos a écrit:Your opinion is perfectly respectable, it is clear that we can not all think alike.

But my view is that this game should be designed for people who love cycling and want to feel really, when you play not for casual users other two-three months to forget it, to buy another type of games he likes more play than TDF and meanwhile we have to endure the rest of the year, with the TDF so unreal, that these users want to win a Tour easily without any difficulty, I think that's fair. They just want the TDF as summer pastime and then leave it on the shelf and forgotten what we sell and purest cycling fans we feel empty with this game the rest of the year.

I want to feel the real biking, hechar 30 minutes or more up Mont Ventoux or other major ports so fast that this scale does not allow me. As in the time trials which pass very quickly. I want to feel the real biking when I play, I do not cast long played a stage or how long it takes to finish a Tour, I want the game forward in a real way to live my feelings bicycle idols, stage by stage, no matter the time spent on this short scale and do not let me.

You want to play but complete stages, you have the option to simulate. Because this detail is another complete stages Cyanide designs not because reason, because most users of youtube and elsewhere, simulated high oparte stage, played less miles than the TDF12. But I tell you that even though we have the same opinions, totally respect your position.

A greeting and thanks for bringing your decision on the issue




Totally agree with you ...! (share the same feeling ...)

The Cyanide guys have improved many things, including the ability to manage all cyclists, add a good split screen mode, or play complete stages ... The problem is that they have been wrong in the ARCADE gameplay, which makes a consequently an uncompetitive AI and boring ...

I have long been users watching videos on Youtube, and TDF2013, they simulate many more kms, that TDF2012 simulating ...
I've also seen "feats" truly UNREALS, Daniele Bennati finished as 5th in Alpe D'Huez, and the next step 19, Bennati has filled almost the entire full green bar energy ... ???

"The Cyanide guys, have fallen sharply the level of demand and quality, and I was very disappointed ..."!

I feel cheated with this TDF2013 ...! (... because I know they can make good games with wonderful AI, as demonstrated in TDF2012 ...)

I hope they get back on track, they have lost, because just listening at "casual users" that eventually selling TDF2013, to buy FiFa14, PES14, NBA14, etc ... Others... just rented it for a weekend, and nothing more ...
Those who only' buy EVERY YEAR, the TDF, are the true CYCLING fans,(TDF2012), not want this ARCADE MOTO - CYCLING, (TDF2013)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKdmpc_mDX0
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Re: Users say, scale 1/2 or 1/5 for TDF14

Message22 Juil 2013, 22:42

Users of the game when we complain is because there is a logical reason.

We are not asking for things very difficult, as might be asking well made faces 198 of the corridors, and their physical traits such as height or weight well reflected, or personalized way of behaving on the bike for example.
But we are asking for things that in our opinion were well made in the previous game, as were the scale 1/2 and AI, and in this TDF show many shortcomings, making a fully Arcade game, with which you can win with any cyclist and what makes you lose all the appeal of playing.

There is no better test than visual, so let these images below of achievements for a user, which exposes and fully demonstrates the deficiencies of this bad AI. If this is normal or actual events in one Tour de 21etapas so then I have little to say.

Although as we say in my country, "None so blind, that will not see".


http://sia1.subirimagenes.net/img/2013/07/15/1307151221582496.jpg

http://sia1.subirimagenes.net/img/2013/07/15/130715122200219811.jpg

http://sia1.subirimagenes.net/img/2013/07/15/130715122200733469.jpg

http://sia1.subirimagenes.net/img/2013/07/15/130715122201801061.jpg
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Re: Users say, scale 1/2 or 1/5 for TDF14

Message23 Juil 2013, 12:55

View these photos, gives me a deep disappointment ...

Someone Cyanide, assured me that in TDF2013, these results would not happen ...

Coincidently, in TDF2012, to get those results, had to fight hard against the AI, (CPU), and perhaps, after 10 or 15 Tours played with hard training, you could get ... But now, in TDF2013, with just play 1 or 2 Tours, there are already dozens of users who have managed to exceed 1,100,000 euros in LEADER BOARDS ...

This shows the low difficulty and low resistance, offering TDF2013 AI ... making us bored for lack of competitiveness ...

TDF2013, is like playing chess against an 8 year old child ... or play basketball, against an opponent of 1.50 cmts. ...

You get bored ... because WIN VERY EASILY!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKdmpc_mDX0
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