[AI] [0047505] Bug Hillstat

Because you asked me to, I tried it now. I tried to win it with Froome. I put his hill stat on 60 and I finished 2nd on hard.

And the sprint stat is also quite broken, when you already talk about it. The most sprints in my game are won by Contador, Yates and similar riders. And I'm talking about flat stages.

Basically this leads to hilly riders having no chance in hilly races, because the majority of the race will be below an 86 effort. That means, that the climbers will win that stuff.

The majority of a flat race is below a sprint effort, however sprinters win them all the time. That's the same for hilly races.
Try to win Liege with Quintana or Froome. It's hard (a bit like winning a flat race with Tony Martin). While with Valverde it's easy. Unless a big bug appeared since our last tests.

i ran three times liege yesterday with the sky. In the three lieges Froome finishes much more better than kwiatkowski... If you think this is normal, ok... Perfect...

The hill riders have no chance in liege and hilly stages.

I won yesterday with froome in extreme, kwiatkowski 14º. If you need video, no problem.

He is right, put 86 for start the Hill stats is not fun to play, in many races too much cyclists go too fast in hill stages. It will be better to chage it because it's not fun to play and it's a game. This stats impact another trouble brekaway cannot win, in 1 year of pro cyclist no beakaway won never, hill, flat, mountain, all time peloton go too fast.

And the sprint stat is also quite broken, when you already talk about it. The most sprints in my game are won by Contador, Yates and similar riders. And I'm talking about flat stages.

me too

in career mode i played 2 flat stages so far. nibali won the first, contador the 2nd

caleb ewan and kittel were the only real sprinters in the top 10 in those stages
silly results

Basically this leads to hilly riders having no chance in hilly races, because the majority of the race will be below an 86 effort. That means, that the climbers will win that stuff.

The majority of a flat race is below a sprint effort, however sprinters win them all the time. That's the same for hilly races.
Try to win Liege with Quintana or Froome. It's hard (a bit like winning a flat race with Tony Martin). While with Valverde it's easy. Unless a big bug appeared since our last tests.

With Valverde yes, but what about Gilbert, Alaphilippe, Gasparotto, Matthews, Albasini... and all these riders that don't have a good stat on Mountain? Can't win this kind of races because they will lose al lot of energy on the first 250km before using a effort greater than 85... I can't find the logic to this measure..

I like this idea to use hill and Climbing this way but 85% is just too high. It is impossible to even get in the final with riders as Gilbert in the ardennes classics. It is also very unrealistic to give him high Climbing stats.

I like this idea to use hill and Climbing this way but 85% is just too high. It is impossible to even get in the final with riders as Gilbert in the ardennes classics. It is also very unrealistic to give him high Climbing stats.

Yes this might be a problem

Last year it worked but hill was too important. This year it might be too far the other way and mountain might be too important. But I don't see a big problem. Maybe I just haven't played it enough, but all the hilly races I did had realistic results and the specialists were up there with the climbers.

Breakaways and bunch sprints have big problems, but I don't think climbing has problems.

Basically this leads to hilly riders having no chance in hilly races, because the majority of the race will be below an 86 effort. That means, that the climbers will win that stuff.

The majority of a flat race is below a sprint effort, however sprinters win them all the time. That's the same for hilly races.
Try to win Liege with Quintana or Froome. It's hard (a bit like winning a flat race with Tony Martin). While with Valverde it's easy. Unless a big bug appeared since our last tests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBh_H-DLAxE2

Yes Breakaway has real problem, never win in 1 year. For test i put the REC at 0 for riders and it change nothing, what impact have this stats?